Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

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Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by Glug » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:42 pm

Hi All.

I'm new here, though I have been reading here for the last week or so.

Many many years ago I tried learning PA for about 3 months on a box my parents had acquired from somewhere.
Years passed and I thought the accordion was lost somehow, then it reappeared last month in the back of a cupboard and I've now inherited it. After 40 years in storage it still sounds fairly ok, but it's a bit out of tune and a few reeds don't seem to be sounding, and some of the leather valves are curly.
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Currently I'm mostly interested in finding its age and history, and then maybe I'll try and fix it (carefully) or just play it (badly).
What I've found so far:
  • Probably made in Italy in 30s or 40s
  • it's a student or possibly 'ladies' accordion (weight 6.5kg + straps)
  • No couplers
  • Probably tuned to 440: base notes currently vary from -6cents to +7cents assuming 440 (using Instrument-Tuner)
  • Base buttons are Stradella system
  • Treble is 2 banks with second tuned flat about 16cents (which is apparently Italian musette).
The treble side I can see 2x 34 reed plates so I understand what those are.
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The bass side there's 5 sets of 12 reed plates, is that 5 different octaves ?
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Any information gratefully received :)
Cheers.

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Re: Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by triskel » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:08 am

There was never an actual Italian maker called Santianelli and, like many others, it appears to have been a made-up "house brand" of an importer/dealer - in this case Francis, Day and Hunter Ltd. of Denmark Street, London.

It looks like a mid 1930's model.

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Re: Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by Glug » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:08 pm

Many thanks,
It's amazing how much people on here know :)

I knew 'house brands' were a thing, but couldn't find any info on Santianelli.

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Re: Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by triskel » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:37 pm

Glug wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:08 pm
I knew 'house brands' were a thing, but couldn't find any info on Santianelli.
"Some of us" (ahem! :roll: ) have a stack of copies of Accordion Times from the 1930's... ;)

Glad to help!

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Re: Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by kimric » Tue May 22, 2018 7:43 am

Its gonna have a pretty powerful bass with 5 reeds in the left on such a small instrument. I have a little 24 bass with that setup.
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Re: Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by OuijaBoard » Tue May 22, 2018 9:38 am

I do like a 12X4=48 with 30-34 in the treble. Not enough of those around . . . Of course, 60 bass will fit in the same weight/dimensions, and those do seem to be proliferating last few years, as does the 30-treble spec, an excellent development for the itinerant troublemaker . . .

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Re: Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by Glug » Wed May 23, 2018 3:39 pm

Yep the bass is impressive, I haven't heard other accordions live though.
It does need most of the valves replacing, which I'm working on.
And I was surprised how low it goes: it's A1 to A♭2 on the bass set.

It's the only accordion I've ever 'played', but the 8x6 version of 48 bass
doesn't sound very sensible to me. But I don't know any better :)

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Re: Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by Geronimo » Wed May 23, 2018 5:04 pm

Glug wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 3:39 pm
Yep the bass is impressive, I haven't heard other accordions live though.
It does need most of the valves replacing, which I'm working on.
And I was surprised how low it goes: it's A1 to A♭2 on the bass set.
That's a typical range for bigger Italian instruments. With five reeds, you can't go much higher than that anyway and there will be overlap of reed ranks. On my Excelsior (120 bass), the reed ranks start at A1, A2, F♯3, C4, C5. On the German Morinos with 5-reed bass, you'll instead get E1, E2, E3, E4, E5.

I suspect that your ranks might be organised the same way as my Excelsior has them.
It's the only accordion I've ever 'played', but the 8x6 version of 48 bass
doesn't sound very sensible to me. But I don't know any better :)
Well yeah, I think I'd prefer 12×4. Or 12×5, of course.

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Re: Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by triskel » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:59 pm

triskel wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:08 am
There was never an actual Italian maker called Santianelli and, like many others, it appears to have been a made-up "house brand" of an importer/dealer - in this case Francis, Day and Hunter Ltd. of Denmark Street, London.

It looks like a mid 1930's model.
And, funnily enough, I've now finished up with the virtually identical accordion (because it came with a 1936 Ficosecco one I wanted), only it's in turquoise with white trim and branded "Sonora":

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Both "Sonora" and "Coronado" were "house brands" of Alex Burns Ltd., 114, Shaftesbury Avenue, Piccadilly, London, W.1.

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Re: Santianelli 48 bass 34 keys

Post by Glug » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:19 pm

Congratulations :)

That does look like exactly the same box.
It would be interesting to know who in Italy was supplying these.

If you're going to repair it this might be helpfull: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6711

I have to say, so far I really like the sound of the musette on my one.

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