Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

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Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by xocd » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:48 pm

By chance found this video showing wax application using an Italian-style wax spatula.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11LmcTo0el8
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Post by xocd » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:05 pm

A different approach adapting a dining spoon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTAoa7ftxYk
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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by debra » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:18 pm

And here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNEJzZUqFmg is one using a hot glue gun (with wax, not glut). Never seen that before but it seems to work well. It actually seems like a reasonable idea to me. Any of our experts (JimD for instance) have an opinion about this?
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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by xocd » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:47 pm

Another version using a spatula. This time from a French maker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTGUyI-me1s
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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by Sebastian Bravo » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:29 pm

debra wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:18 pm
And here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNEJzZUqFmg is one using a hot glue gun (with wax, not glut). Never seen that before but it seems to work well. It actually seems like a reasonable idea to me. Any of our experts (JimD for instance) have an opinion about this?
I don't think that the hot glue gun has an electronic system to stop the heat on a certain temperature, maybe it would work the first minutes, but when the temperature gets higher and higher, it would burn the wax (or the added things on it).
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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by Geronimo » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:38 pm

Sebastian Bravo wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:29 pm
debra wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:18 pm
And here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNEJzZUqFmg is one using a hot glue gun (with wax, not glut). Never seen that before but it seems to work well. It actually seems like a reasonable idea to me. Any of our experts (JimD for instance) have an opinion about this?
I don't think that the hot glue gun has an electronic system to stop the heat on a certain temperature, maybe it would work the first minutes, but when the temperature gets higher and higher, it would burn the wax (or the added things on it).
Typical hot glue guns without electronics are similar to unregulated solder irons of small wattage: the heating element has increased resistance as its temperature gets higher, so the end temperature is limited even without a proper thermostat. Whether the limiting temperature is good for accordion wax is a different question.

There may be more expensive glue guns with electronics and/or thermostat. That may be a better idea. Though I don't think the usual hot glue reaches temperatures above the boiling point of water.

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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by debra » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:14 pm

Sebastian Bravo wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:29 pm
debra wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:18 pm
And here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNEJzZUqFmg is one using a hot glue gun (with wax, not glut). Never seen that before but it seems to work well. It actually seems like a reasonable idea to me. Any of our experts (JimD for instance) have an opinion about this?
I don't think that the hot glue gun has an electronic system to stop the heat on a certain temperature, maybe it would work the first minutes, but when the temperature gets higher and higher, it would burn the wax (or the added things on it).
That's where a dimmer can come in. When I do quick wax repairs with a soldering iron I use a dimmer to reduce the power so it only gets hot enough to melt the wax and not to burn it.
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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by jozz » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:53 pm

How about someone make a system that 3d scans a reedblock then 3d print wax directly on it... :mrgreen:

After all it is the 21st century

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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by WaldoW » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:12 am

I saw a guy on utube who used a melting pot for the wax and paint brushes of variuous sizes to apply. The end result looked good, albeit thin around the edges, compared to a factory job. However, I suspect the majority of the bonding occours between the reed block and the reed plate, the wax being introduced via capillary action between the two.
I need to do some wax repairs on my Soprani and plan to use this method to try it out. I have a "WaxRite" 3 chamber melting pot that was produced for dental technicians. It is thermostat regulated with a dust lid. I got it at an auction for $5 US, but suspect they show up on EBay. I haven't figured out what to put in the two other chambers, yet. Perhaps some hot melt glue for valves and helper springs. I'm very pleased with it's performance.
I'll report back here whith my experience.
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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by Dingo40 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:48 am

Hi folks,
An acquaintance who, builds diatonic accordions professionally, uses a small soldering iron with a modified tip. He then “runs” the wax off the tip much like soldering a joint in tin. It works great for him!🙂

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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by wout » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:10 pm

I have tried with the kitchenspoon since i had nothing else. I think its only good when you have alot of space and it was hard to dose. I tried also with a syringe filled with wax but it got clogged. With the brush i tried it to but also wasnt great. Now i have an italian waxing spoonand its by far the best method of the ones i tried. I mean imnot superskilled but its easy to aim and dose and get wax into tiny spaces :)

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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by debra » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:00 pm

wout wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:10 pm
I have tried with the kitchenspoon since i had nothing else. I think its only good when you have alot of space and it was hard to dose. I tried also with a syringe filled with wax but it got clogged. With the brush i tried it to but also wasnt great. Now i have an italian waxing spoonand its by far the best method of the ones i tried. I mean imnot superskilled but its easy to aim and dose and get wax into tiny spaces :)
Well... after the next few weeks I hope to become good at using the Italian waxing spoon (actually more of a spatula shape, not a spoon). I have a complete instrument rewaxing job ahead (in the summer) so I hope to learn the technique well in Castelfidardo...
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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by WaldoW » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:32 am

I'm jealous of all you who live within driving distance of Castelfidardo.

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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by jozz » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:30 am

well...it's still some 1500 kms...

I drove to Rome once, it was not something to do often

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Re: Applying wax with an Italian-style wax spatula

Post by WaldoW » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:35 am

It's about 8000k for me (the great circle route may be shorter).
I, too, drove to Rome once. Once!

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