How do I identify which chords to play

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How do I identify which chords to play

Post by AccoTony » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:16 pm

Hello. I would like to ask how do I identify from sheet music which basses/chords to play? Usually there are written something like 7 (seventh chord) m (minor) and etc. But I have found notes which do not contain these signs, just plain notes and I am confused which ones to play.

Actually, in the case below, there are signs like m+m but these do not make sense for me (m+m? what ?)
So, by and large, I am questioning how could I read bass notes just from the notes itself? Not from the signs 7, m, M
I think you got the idea.
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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by debra » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:15 pm

Unfortunately there is not a single standard notation. The low note of course means the base note, but some will just write a single high note indicating the chord, with some letter notation to indicate major, minor, 7th... but others will write out the chord itself so you have to know from the notes which chord that then is.
The example with A and then A and B is confusing to say the least as there is no obvious chord that A plus B would indicate (at least not obvious to me).
In many cases once you see the base note and you also have the melody line it will become obvious which chord to use after a few years of experience.
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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by Geronimo » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:20 pm

This is sort of the AAA chord notation ("American Accordionists Association", I kid you not). I found a copy of instructions at this link.

I would interpret this as A in the bass and A minor and B major in the chords. Which makes pretty little sense, so what's the key signature?

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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by debra » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:23 am

Geronimo wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:20 pm
This is sort of the AAA chord notation ("American Accordionists Association", I kid you not). I found a copy of instructions at this link.

I would interpret this as A in the bass and A minor and B major in the chords. Which makes pretty little sense, so what's the key signature?
Well... B major + A minor does make sense (B D# F# A C E) when the notes go up in this order and B is the base note, but on Stradella all the octaves are mixed and it sounds awful. The chord B minor + A major (B D Fis A Cis E) makes more sense and sounds fine even on Stradella but the base note still has to be B...
In any case the notation seems to be what I wrote before: have just the base note of the chord written down and use a letter or number to indicate major, minor, 7th... but in this example it makes no sense to me.
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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by jozz » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:36 am

You could be over-analysing this. I'd say it has a signature which is not visible in the picture, or it's just some scary dissonant passage.

m and M is indeed minor + Major. It is also common in some piano sheet music I guess to save space.

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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by AccoTony » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:51 pm

jozz wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:36 am
You could be over-analysing this. I'd say it has a signature which is not visible in the picture, or it's just some scary dissonant passage.

m and M is indeed minor + Major. It is also common in some piano sheet music I guess to save space.
there are 2 full pages of the notes I'm trying to decipher. Perhaps these will imply something?
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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by JeffJetton » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:03 pm

Is that Libertango? Odd way to notate it. Looks like they're calling for an eighth-note bellows shake there?

I play similar chords there, but without the constant Am chord (that is, just the bass and other chord, without the Am added to the mix). Try that and see if sounds like you think it should.

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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by Geronimo » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:04 pm

No key signature. Well, the corresponding treble system makes it obvious that B major is right and intended since that is what appears in the right hand. And there is little doubt in the rest being bass note A with A minor chord. Musically, this is, uh, audacious.

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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by debra » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:33 pm

Geronimo wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:04 pm
No key signature. Well, the corresponding treble system makes it obvious that B major is right and intended since that is what appears in the right hand. And there is little doubt in the rest being bass note A with A minor chord. Musically, this is, uh, audacious.
Some of these combined chord basses always go well together because of overlap. It helps to play a minor-7, or some 9 chords. But A minor plus B major has no overlap and it is not just audacious, it sounds just awful when the notes end up in the same octave.
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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by jozz » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:48 pm

The piece is this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60qdLcU8Ma8

He even does the 'strike keyboard' and fingers stuff mentioned on the sheet. When the faster part starts you can see his bass hand hit the chords and when the change comes he might be doing B major and A minor at the same time...

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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by reivilos92 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:04 pm

This is somehow out of topic but I have been wondering if there is always a point to transcription... especially when the cover is far-fetched, virtuoso or rather personnal.

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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by Glenn » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:39 pm

You can do the B bass note over Am chord.
Doesn’t appear to be written like that but it’s a possibility in this piece.
The Am chord is static and the bass cycles over A, B, D, A if I remember correctly.
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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by AccoTony » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:12 am

Maybe somebody has a version of Omaggio ad Astor Piazzolla with clearly (standard) written bass notation and could possibly share?
The version I have is too much confused and I cannot figure it out at all.

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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by debra » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:28 am

reivilos92 wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:04 pm
This is somehow out of topic but I have been wondering if there is always a point to transcription... especially when the cover is far-fetched, virtuoso or rather personnal.
Of course there is: such new compositions based on popular songs can themselves become very popular. Ommagio ad Piazzolla is a very popular accordion piece, played solo, in duo or in ensemble. Several Russian (or other easter european) composers and accordion virtuosi have written similar music based on popular songs. My all-time favorite is the French Ballad by Novikov, based on "Feuilles Mortes" (Autumn Leaves).
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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by AccoTony » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:08 pm

AccoTony wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:12 am
Maybe somebody has a version of Omaggio ad Astor Piazzolla with clearly (standard) written bass notation and could possibly share?
The version I have is too much confused and I cannot figure it out at all.
Bumping this. I have searched the net and I cannot stumble into any reasonable notes.
I am willing to pay for a comprehensive sheet of notes.

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Re: How do I identify which chords to play

Post by Geronimo » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:20 am

AccoTony wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:08 pm
AccoTony wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:12 am
Maybe somebody has a version of Omaggio ad Astor Piazzolla with clearly (standard) written bass notation and could possibly share?
The version I have is too much confused and I cannot figure it out at all.
Bumping this. I have searched the net and I cannot stumble into any reasonable notes.
I am willing to pay for a comprehensive sheet of notes.
How about the unreasonable notes? Do any of them reflect what you want to be playing, just in unsuitable form? In that case you might use a notation program (or pay someone to do it) in order to get a version to your liking.

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